Friday, May 29, 2009

GET OUT AND VOTE AND WHY CISNEROS MAY HAVE HUNG HIMSELF

This last ad by Cisneros against Zamora in my view is clear evidence of desperation. If it works it will be because Cisneros has a machine to get out the voters who support him, and Zamora does not, at least not at that level. This election will be a very low turnout. Every voter put into a car and taken to the polls will make a difference.

Among women, putting all of those question marks next to Zamora, this is a direct attack on women. He is saying look there is something there, but I am not going to tell you what it is. This is slime. It is like the boys in highschool who have never had any telling everyone they have been with the lead cheerleader. It was truly pathetic.

If we are going to change city hall we must vote. I cannot vote in the Cisneros/Zamora election. I am encouraging people to vote, especially senior citizens, who are more likely to vote. This election should be a clear win for Zamora, if for no other reason Cisneros campaign tactics. Right now it is up to the people.

On the Ayala/Gowen election, I am at a loss. I can vote in this one. My inclination is to vote Gowen only because Ayala would not be in the run-offs had it not been for the mail ballots. I am not saying he had anything to do with what happened, but I am saying I cannot vote for a candidate whose supporters believe it is okay to use politiqueras to manipulate the mail-ballots of senior citizens.

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

Cuacha does as Chuacha is..
He is an embarrassment to Brownsville with his tactics and lack of accomplishments. He also has no vision, just staus quo...

El Mero Mero

Anonymous said...

I took the FAMILY question mark as saying you really don't know her like you know me. The voters don't know Melissa. That's the ad. That's his point. But nooooooooo Bobby assumes Carlos is bringing up her personal life and broken home. Why is everyone in the gutter?

To be sure, it isn't his fault she's divorced, but he wasn't bringing it up. I'm surprised you didn't bemoan the CRIMINAL HISTORY question mark. Do you really think Melissa has a criminal history? Wouldn't you want to know if she does? I don't think she does, but Carlos is saying you know I don't. Ask her. Get to know her. But why bother, you know me. Isn't that the ad?

Anonymous said...

Give me a break. We all know the ad is misleading. He even puts a question mark under "residence". He knows she lives in Brownsville. You have to be a Brownsville resident to even for for city commissioner. He wants people to believe she doesn't reside in Brownsville.

BobbyWC said...

Where did I assume he was bringing in her personal life? The ad was misleading and was intended to make people think something is wrong -

it was a scum ad by a piece of scum - smart people will reject it as the acts of a desperate man with nowhere else to turn.

His supporters will continue to make stupid posts which will only serve to hurt him.

Bobby WC

Anonymous said...

Why do you allow the "Cuacha" comments? It's beneath you.

I think here is where you use personal life or woman life issues.

Among women, putting all of those question marks next to Zamora, this is a direct attack on women. He is saying look there is something there, but I am not going to tell you what it is. This is slime.How is it an attack against women if it isn't about her personal life? Gender politics is insufferable. What can a male candidate do to a female candidate that won't seem to attack the whole gender? No one is angry at you for not supporting a woman for the Supreme Court. No one is saying you are doing it because Sotomayor is a woman. No one brings out the clitoris card, yet you attack Carlos for attacking all women by placing question marks under a faded image of Melissa Zamora. Move beyond the bra and panties.

Your logic is one and the same with those screaming leave her personal life out of it. Character is important. When one has little public life to go on, an opponent can only go to character. It's not "scum" or "slime" to say the public knows little to nothing about Carlos's opponent.

How much do you really know about Melissa Zamora? Are those question marks inaccurate for most voters?

Smart people aren't voting. Smart people don't exist in Brownsville. Smart people don't know Melissa.

Carlos isn't desperate. If anything, Melissa is desperate after blowing an endorsement from Sorola. But I'll leave the old man out of it, Carlos' ads and campaign until now doesn't smell negative. The skater ad and the positive letters of support demonstrate nothing but respect to his opponents and defend his record of community activism.

This election is about whether voters are willing to go with someone they know versus someone they don't know. How much did voting against Ernie hurt this city's image? How much did people forget about the, for lack of a better word, suffering Brownsville endured during the first reign of Patricio? They did. They voted against someone they knew, Ernie. I don't believe the same mistake will occur here, Bobby.

Are you annoyed that BLOGGER was stamped like a scarlet letter under Melissa? Is there something there but he or you aren't going to tell us? Bobby, they were just question marks.

Anonymous said...

"This election is about whether voters are willing to go with someone they know versus someone they don't know."

The magic of "caching" websites:

http://carlosacisneros.com/issues.html

7 years of being in office and the Issues site is " Under Construction"

He does not even know his own issue stances after all this time?
Who needs to explain them to him?

por favor...

El Mero Mero

Anonymous said...

Cisneros claims to have created over 8700 new jobs created from 2002-2007 since he came in to office.

Funny thing about stats....
Unemployment in Brownsville in Jan. 2002 was 9.5 %

Unemployment in
Jan. 2009 is 9.5 %

Thanks for your HARD work, Carlos

Wile E. Coyote

Anonymous said...

Carlos Cisneros lists this as an accomplishment;

Repaved or rebuilt 190 streets in District 3

Here's a different perspective....
http://www.nunnayerbizness.com/2009/03/22/streets-of-brownsville/#more-3007

Thanks to Stan Raines from his webite...

Ben Jalamela

Anonymous said...

Lest we forget:

City Commissioner Accused of Abusing Time Sheets
http://www.krgv.com/content/news/investigations/story/City-Commissioner-Accused-of-Abusing-Time-Sheets/ZJjvU_zqI0K25U95nhNGeA.cspx


http://www.krgv.com/content/news/investigations/story/City-Commissioner-Scandal-Continues/w1za7efzXUm16yf6HagOUw.cspx


http://www.krgv.com/content/news/investigations/story/Commissioner-Under-Fire-Claims-Hes-Being-Targeted/vm5CdyLmsUWGcEQIxMMysQ.cspx

Anonymous said...

Because I guess someone has to, I'll take the bait and defend Carlos Cisneros. I'll start by admitting for him that he or any commissioner, for that matter, doesn't the fix streets. The City fixes them, but he still should be given credit for pushing for these streets in his district to be fixed. He is an overseer not the city manager.

What Carlos is pointing to, or for that matter any commissioner running for reelection can point to, is the number of streets repaired, fixed, or constructed in a given timeframe. As a city, we should be proud of Carlos AND the city for accomplishing a feat of fixing, repairing, or constructing those 190 streets. That is an achievement especially since District 3 is the fastest growing area in Brownsville today.

Stanley has been bitching for some time about Pablo Kisel. And what has that bitching gotten him? Nothing. Stanley needs to look at who did the street to begin with. What developer did it? Did that developer give Carlos campaign money? I'll answer it for you Stanley. No, he didn't. Do you know why Stanley? I'll answer that as well. Carlos Cisneros upset this developer because he isn't satisfied with the way Kisel turned out. You're on the same side of this Stanley, but you would never know that. Maybe instead of using vinegar, organic honey from the Farmers Market could have been used.

How long ago was Pablo Kisel handed over to the City? It was long before Carlos became commissioner, Stanley. How many other streets have not had the problems that Pablo has?

It wasn't Carlos' fault that Pablo Kisel wasn't built to handle the amount of bus and heavy traffic there. What should be of a concern to Stanley is Morrison Road in between Target and Tipton Ford to Galaxy Bowl. Why is caliche shit standards still being used? Is it temporary? Stanley should at least grant that Pablo, for all its problems, was not as poorly built as Morrison.

Where to begin with the jobs debate? Unemployment is on the rise in Brownsville. That's a given. The jobs Cisneros is referring to are the jobs created. Just because unemployment is up doesn't mean that those jobs were never created. Someone earned money because those jobs existed at one point. Many of them if not all of them exist right now. Someone is earning money because Carlos supported those jobs and economic development as a commissioner.

How did he support them? That's a question you are not asking. But because I have nothing but time for you, I will answer. As a commissioner, he votes in favor of giving tax incentives and supports funding of economic projects which in turn funds and supports those jobs coming into Brownsville. It's the same concept for how streets are fixed by him even though they really aren't fixed by him. He isn't the one with the shovel. But he still gets credit along with the discredit. If you are going to point out the negativity, at least give him credit for the positive. Consistency is consistency.

Lest we forget, Carlos wasn't charged with any crime and found innocent. Lest we forget that one of Melissa's biggest supporters works at the District Attorney's Office and that Office found nothing wrong unless that big supporter wants to tell us what really happened. If not, I'll stand by and say Cisneros didn't abuse anything because no charges were filed in court.

By allowing this to post, Bobby, you are openly allowing false and defamatory information to be filtered through on your blog. He didn't abuse anything and law enforcement/the law already said this. Why do you allow it, Bobby? This is beneath you.

Bobby, you could do something and answer the charges above at May 29, 2009 6:35 PM. But that might be too much to ask.

BobbyWC said...

Anony, I am not going to allow for a one sided discussion. the news clips I allowed through because they were exactly that. there is no defamation in reprinting news clips.

I also knew that someone would come forward and point out Cisneros was cleared of all claims. You see in a discussion, once that happens, such as you have done, it trends to discredit the original post or at least the poster.

If you really want to get to the truth - I expressed my outraged over the entire incident and took Cisneros side especially on the video issue.

On teh roads- Cisneros is just a liar. he had nothing to do with the TXDOT projects for which he is claiming credit. Now I stayed out of this, but since you want to accuse me of wrong doing, then I will speak - Cisneros is a lying sack of shit when he tries to take credit for TXDOTS projects.

Bobby WC

Anonymous said...

I don't know what exactly your side was other than your word. I've established your word means nothing to me without proof of your claims.

Those comments you approved spread a false notion Cisneros did something wrong. And the reference or quick summary prior to those "clips" only add insult to injury especially when you fail to add any clarification after the comment. Your missing obligatory editorial adds to the appearance of wrong doing on the part of the commissioner.

What if no one defended him which you assumed would happened? We aren't dealing with premonitions here, Bobby, we are talking about people's jobs, lives, and truth. How many minutes and hours does it take for Cisneros to be defamed once more for your lack of an editor's note?

I'm not so sure you even remember he was cleared of the allegations, but how many people read your blog don't remember as well as you or I that he was cleared? Aren't those ignorant people exposed to the defamation or false allegations of Carlos? Is it "fair" or reasonable to expect someone would come to his aid, when bloggers are united against him, for the sole purpose of clearing up an error you could have prevented?

Bobby, it's not a respected or reasonable discussion when someone is overtly disregarding the truth. Carlos Cisneros was charged with NOTHING. Let me repeat that, no legal authority charged him with a crime or abuse of power, rank, or privilege. So unless you agree that he is innocent immediately after the comment you approved, you sir, are a known accomplice to spreading defamatory content about a commissioner.

Your lackadaisical attitude towards this defamation is beneath you. Honestly, Bobby, other than very recently when has your blog ever been anything but a one-sided discussion of censors comments as you admitted in another comment box? Hiding behind a "discussion" is like Nazi sympathizers denying the holocaust. You really want to set precedence like that, Bobby?

As for streets, how many TXDOT streets lie in District 3? Count them with me, okay? There is Paredes, one, Alton Gloor, two, Lucio Highway, three and Ruben M. Torres. That's four unless you count Morrison Road. I'm not so sure if that's TXDOT or the City at this point. I'll lean City responsibility. I don't count the expressway because that's not a street even Cisneros would have big enough balls to take credit for.

So are you set with four? Is that okay with you, Bobby?

Now that we have that straightened out. I think 4 is about 2% of the 190 streets you don't deny.

Even if I were to agree with you that Cisneros is taking credit for TXDOT work, and I'm not fully prepared to do that, that would mean he is "a lying sack of shit" for taking credit of 2% of the total number of streets fixed, repaired, completed, constructed, repaved, spit on, pothole covered, or anything else for that matter.

You are calling him "a lying sack of shit" over 2%. Don't mind me. I'm busy laughing.

Anonymous said...

Anon asks:

"Where to begin with the jobs debate? Unemployment is on the rise in Brownsville. That's a given."
Why is it a given? Should we just say it is what it is or try and find a way to help the economic situation in our city. Not just temporarily but with long range plans?

"The jobs Cisneros is referring to are the jobs created. Just because unemployment is up doesn't mean that those jobs were never created."

It is easy to take credit for jobs created during boom times. If you look at the stats on unemployment for the years discussed, the numbers do fluccuate. The low end of those numbers parallel the nation's numbers. The high end as well. A good businessperson or manager keeps or grows their business by thinking outside the box, not riding the wave. The status quo does not cut it anymore.

"Someone earned money because those jobs existed at one point."
Where are they?

Many of them if not all of them exist right now.
Lots of jobs were create after the Hurricane last year but not anymore. People earned money but not for long. GM workers earned lots of money but they don't look that they will be doing so for very long. So should they keep their management as Cisneros is asking us to keep him?

"I'll stand by and say Cisneros didn't abuse anything because no charges were filed in court."
Uh-huh. It means you are innocent. The DA is always even-handed in his filing charges. Right ( meant sarcastically.)?

"is (he) "a lying sack of shit" for taking credit of 2% of the total number of streets fixed, repaired, completed, constructed, repaved, spit on, pothole covered, or anything else for that matter."
YES! It's called INTEGRITY.

"Stanley has been bitching for some time about Pablo Kisel. And what has that bitching gotten him? Nothing.......Maybe instead of using vinegar, organic honey from the Farmers Market could have been used."
Very mature, Carlos. You want Stan to kiss up to you and then maybei'll put you in a newspaper ad, oops, i mean i'll try and get somethiing done.

"bloggers are united against him"

Nothing personal Stan..You are a blogger and have held my feet to the fire. Carlos doesn't like that thing called accountability, personal or professional. It is always someone else at fault.

El Mero Mero

Anonymous said...

BWC
Did they really compare you and your readers to Holocaust deniers?
All in the support of Cisneros? WOW!!!

Smacks of desperation to me.

Ben Jalemela

Anonymous said...

"Are you annoyed that BLOGGER was stamped like a scarlet letter under Melissa? Is there something there but he or you aren't going to tell us? Bobby, they were just question marks."

Isn't this anti-BLOGGER arument used by the Repugnant-licans during the last election cycle and completely rejected by the American electorate?

"Smart people aren't voting. Smart people don't exist in Brownsville. Smart people don't know Melissa."

Cisneros and his supporters are so genius that they insult the citizens of Brownsville. Are they tacitly acknowledging that STUPID people put Cisneros in power in the past elections?

"No one brings out the clitoris card, yet you attack Carlos for attacking all women by placing question marks under a faded image of Melissa Zamora. Move beyond the bra and panties."

Sexism at its worst..again GENIUS..

"Character is important."

Yes it is...

Wile E. Coyote

Anonymous said...

"Why is it a given?..."

I've combined. Granting the rate wasn't because I'm okay with it. It's to get beyond the original argument of job loss as was said. I'm not OK with it. 7 years haven't been all boom times. It's steady growth with responsible leadership, incentives for out of town businesses coming here. Stating fact of jobs created doesn't say it's been all rosy. Unemployment's up because the national economic recession. Mexican tourist have slowed their crossing in part due to the peso lowering from 10:1 to 15:1. Mexicans get hurt in the exchange rate. No money equals a harder time for business to keep people employed. Also, small businesses could be eliminating jobs in response to the summer minimum wage increase. These factors don't necessarily reflect poorly or handsomely for Cisneros.

"GM workers earned lots of money but they don't look that they will be doing so for very long. So should they keep their management as Cisneros is asking us to keep him?"

Yes, but you're mixing burdens here. GM workers are hurting because union contracts stifling company growth. Increased health insurance costs hurt competitiveness with foreign carmakers who don't have to same costs. Cisneros, on the other hand, doesn't have that problem. The City will continue to grow only if we reign in costs and don't depend on sales tax and permits alone. If you want to help grow a city, increasing fees/taxes isn't the way to do it.

"Uh-huh. It means you are innocent. The DA is always even-handed in his filing charges. Right ( meant sarcastically.)?"

Maybe you should ask his press guy who openly supports Melissa.

"YES! It's called INTEGRITY."

I don't believe Cisneros is taking credit for TXDOT streets. Do you have proof he is? Even if he were, it's doesn't statistically inflate the truth. What's the difference between 186 and 190 in the mind of a voter?

"You want Stan to kiss up to you and then maybei'll put you in a newspaper ad, oops, i mean i'll try and get somethiing done."

No, I wouldn't care what Stan does or doesn't do. Stan's barking up the wrong tree. Carlos isn't happy with spending money repeatedly on Pablo Kisel. Some people like to complain without offering solutions or working together. At least I get that impression from his bitching about ONE street that isn't Carlos' fault.

"Carlos doesn't like that thing called accountability, personal or professional. It is always someone else at fault."

No, it isn't always someone else at fault. Don't bring your personal life into this. Cisneros is a solutions guy. Have you ever seen him blow up at the mayor like others do? No, it doesn't make sense to fight all the time. He wants to solve things. The impression I get from bloggers is complaining about things. Do they really don't want to solve? Or would solving things make their lives empty? There's a first time for everything. Give him a call and work with him. He will be reelected with or without you.

"Did they really compare you and your readers to Holocaust deniers?"

Some allow falsehoods spread in the name of discussion. Holocaust deniers deny in their discussions, but it doesn't make them true. Bobby should not promote a false record here.

"Isn't this anti-BLOGGER arument used by the Repugnant-licans during the last election cycle and completely rejected by the American electorate?"

No. Why go ape shit about question marks? What's so bad about being labeled a blogger that you're upset?

"Cisneros and his supporters are so genius that they insult the citizens of Brownsville. Are they tacitly acknowledging that STUPID people put Cisneros in power in the past elections?"

2000 voters voted in the general. 18,000 didn't. So the smart people must not have voted if they voted for Zamora. By your side's standard how could anyone vote FOR Cisneros, hence, smart people don't exist. The smart voters will vote for Cisneros because they don't really know his opponent.

"Sexism at its worst..again GENIUS.."

See what I mean about moaning about supposed sexism?

BobbyWC said...

Anony, I love you people who demand proof - look to his web page - he is claiming repair of TXDot rds. If he is lying about that what else is he lying about?

This idea he created jobs is so pathetic it makes him look desperate - if anything this city commission scared away prosective employers.

It also insults every small business person who created jobs by hard work - Cisneros had nothing to do with those jobs.

Bobby WC

Anonymous said...

"Some allow falsehoods spread in the name of discussion. Holocaust deniers deny in their discussions, but it doesn't make them true. Bobby should not promote a false record here."

To equate the discussion of Carlitos' record with the Holocaust is the epitome of hubris or stupidity.

"2000 voters voted in the general. 18,000 didn't. So the smart people must not have voted if they voted for Zamora. By your side's standard how could anyone vote FOR Cisneros, hence, smart people don't exist. The smart voters will vote for Cisneros because they don't really know his opponent."

But wait, you just said SMART people don't exist in Brownsville. So how can they vote for Cisneros. With YOUR side's standard tht only leaves STUPID people to vote for him.

"See what I mean about moaning about supposed sexism?

Again, you published the ad. BWC commented on it. But it is BWC's fault because he took exception to its misleading qualities that now you MOAN about his commentary."
Can't have it both ways.

"Stating fact of jobs created doesn't say it's been all rosy."

You sure try to imply that it has been. Again, where are hee jobs that HE had helped create?

Wile E. Coyote

Anonymous said...

I took your advice Bobby. I went to his site. www.cisneros09.com

"Drainage systems upgrades or constructed: North Main, FM 802, Town North, VICC, Minnesota Estates, FM 281, Four Corners, Brownsville Country Club."

He is taking credit for drainage system upgrades. Drainage isn't paved roads. He took credit in the bullet point above it. He is saying in those living areas he improved ditches and sewage. Not only that but some of those "TXDot roads" you claim he is taking credit for aren't in his district. If you are wrong about this, what else are you wrong about?

BobbyWC said...

Anony, you amaze me- you actually believe people are morons - this issue was raised at one of the campaign debates - when he could not explain how he was taking credit for TXDOT Rds he changed his web page.

He got caught -

yes you are brilliant - i am wrong about everything - tomorrow Cisneros will announce a holiday for brilliant anony's pathetic lies and willingness to promote Cisneros lies

Bobby WC

BobbyWC said...

Anony, you just love fabricating lies - you have to stop listening to the voices in your head - exactly where did this happen in one of my posts

"Not only that but some of those "TXDot roads" you claim he is taking credit for aren't in his district."

I never mentioned any specific TXDOT rd - never happened - just keep on putting out lies - teh more you lie and the more idiotic your comments, the worse you make it for Cisneros

Bobby WC

Anonymous said...

"Anony, you just love fabricating lies - you have to stop listening to the voices in your head"

DJ George perhaps returning from the dead.

Anonymous said...

Bobby, were you at any of the debates? I don't remember you writing about being present. I know you would have written about it. That's what any respectable blogger would do. Why wouldn't you have written about it and tell your adoring fans your journalistic insights?

So, just to be clear, in your world, in which debate was it made an issue and when did he change it his site?

You're right you never, ever, never said he was taking credit for any TXDot roads whatsoever. Nope you never said it. It's all made up.

Except you did, tool.

You cite the website as proof of his lying. The only mention of any roads on his website that even remotely be TXDot roads are under drainage projects which I already quoted. So, Mr. Man of Genius, if those specific roads aren't the roads you say prove he is taking credit from TXDot, WHAT TXDOT ROADS IS HE TAKING CREDIT FOR?

Any reasonable person would assume those FM roads I quoted are the roads you say prove he is stealing credit from TXDot, except they were drainage projects.