Tuesday, October 14, 2008

THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN GOD IS A MYTH DESIGNED TO ENSLAVE THOSE TOO LAZY TO BELIEVE IN THEMSELVES

I started this conversation on Ed’s Aim low, but will finish it here. I have been thinking on this for some time. It will make a lot of people mad - eh and I care because?

I have niece who claims to not believe in god because when she was younger some friends died in a car wreck. I have never understood the Judeo-Christian faith. I was raised a Christian Scientist. If you know the full history of the church you know Mary Baker Eddy opposed the formation of the church and only gave in at the end. If you know her writings you know they continued to evolve until her death. Logically, it would follow, her writings would have continued to evolve had she lived forever. This is why so many people leave the church. When you take her writings to their logical conclusion there is no Judeo-Christian god - it is a myth.

Christians profess the existence of heaven, but conduct themselves everyday as if it is something to fear. If I believed in the Christian heaven I would slit my own throat to leave this hell hole created by humanity in favor of the Christian heaven. Christians are an endless contradiction between their so called faith and their actions.

It is easy for Christians to sin because they know that either through confession or professing Christ as their Savior they are guaranteed entrance into heaven. Their salvation is not in their charity while alive or compassion for their fellow humans, but in confession or professing Christ as their Savior. What a pathetic lot. They are immune from judgment for the way they live their lives because they are forgiven through the sacrifices of Joshua (aka Jesus if you insist on his Roman name). Kind of cool idea - you are absolved of your sins because Joshua paid the price for you.

Joshua was probably one of the greatest philosophers of the human spirit to ever live. It is tragic that Christians have coopted his teachings as an excuse to avoiding charity, compassion, and a real commitment to humanity. It is no great secret that the story of Joshua ascending to heaven had been previously told in old Hebrew and Sumarian texts. In fact nearly the entire Old Testament has now been proven to have been plagiarized from Sumarian texts. Given the history of the Council of Nicea it is amazing to me any educated person puts credence in the New Testament. http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/sbrandt/nicea.htm

I have spent most of my adult years reading everything ever published on the Gnostic Gospels. http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html If you want to know the loving compassionate humanistic Joshua I have come to love you must read the Gnostic Gospels. If this is too much for you, you can read the many tales written about Joshua by Joseph F. Girzone, a retire priest.

In my view so long as people continue to view Judeo-Christian teachings as anything but what they are, a myth perpetuated for power through blind loyalty and control, society will have no hope of moving forward. If society could live by the teachings of Joshua as seen in Joseph F. Girzone writings or the Gnostic Gospels, we would be so much better off. But judgment, bigotry, hate, control, and manipulation for wealth is so much easier than compassion.

So do I believe in God? - yes - but not in the mythical Judeo-Christian god, born out of plagiarism of Sumarian text and a politically motivated Council at Nicea. Do I believe in heaven? No - but I do believe that the human spirit is infinite and evolved from one source. Whatever that one source is, is in my opinion God. In my view only our material vessel dies, but our spirit moves on - for it is infinite.

A short story. My great uncle Umberto died at 7:15 NY time. On that day for no apparent reason I was telling my brother-in-law how my tio Umberto would take us to the beach to give my mom some time off. I was telling him the story at 6:15 our time over dinner. The next day I called my tia Angelita, such as I did almost every Sunday until her death 2 years ago. The first thing she told me was tio Umberto had died at 7:15 NY time the night before. If you know my family on the Gonzales side, this stuff happens all of the time. I am convinced his spirit came to mind as his way of saying, "I will meet you on the other side." I use to tell my mother all of the time to call my abuelita, who was a Gonzales, because something was wrong. It got weird sometimes but we were just connected that way. It is that part of the spirit cell which connects us which allowed us to connect. This is well documented among twins.

They say in every lie there is some truth. I do believe that in the Book of Genesis when God is purported to have said "let us make man in our image and likeness." (Who the hell is "OUR") there was an element of truth. I view mankind as like the life cycle of a living cell. It splits over and over again with its origin being the original cell. That original cell is God. It unites us as one. For me man is God and God is man. We are free to be weak and look to others to tell us right from wrong or we can look deep inside ourselves and find our inherent human compassion which makes us at one with God. This is the ultimate act of personal responsibility.

And for the record, one can reject the Judeo-Christian God while embracing people who are Jewish and Christian. My cousin’s mother-in-law Tilly is the daughter of Russian Jewish immigrants who fled Russia to get away from the pogroms. She taught me my love of Russian and Jewish tradition. My sister’s mother-in-law and brother’s mother-in-law are two of the most devout Catholics you will ever meet. Their love for humanity is awe inspiring. All three of these women have been important spiritual guides in my life. There is not an ounce of judgment in any of them.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

have you read "The Closing of the Western Mind: The rise of faith and the fall of reason" by Charles Freeman?

Freeman gives a good account of how the Christian faith developed. He spends a substantial amount of space on the various counsel, like the Counsel of Nicea, from which the Nicean Creed was derived. He goes throught struggle to arrive at the words "begotten not made."

Despite reading this, I still come back to Milton's Paradise Lost and Dante's Divine Comedy, and decide that its not worth the risk to believe that my simple little mind can perceive the entire universe.

like the followers of Zoroaster say, "go with the faith your born into."

loufish said...

I feel that you fall into the trap that many do, and that is the "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" way of thinking. I've always felt that religion is 95% geographical. Meaning most people believe what everyone in their area believes. I've also always felt that most religions are fairly similar and if they focused on what they have in common rather than what they don't, we would have a better world.

BobbyWC said...

Loufish, I find your comment odd - not for the substance but for your conclusions.

I ended my observation of my world and my faith by mentioning a Jewish woman and two Catholic women are major components of my spiritual guidance. Is there not a diversity in that? Am I not seeing them for what we have in common instead of their respective faiths.

Can you honestly look to the history of Judeo-Christians and say these faiths promote looking to what we have in common?

Read the Joshua books - that is the message - look to what we have in common. We can still have our own individual faiths.

Bobby WC

BobbyWC said...

Loufish, I find your comment odd - not for the substance but for your conclusions.

I ended my observation of my world and my faith by mentioning a Jewish woman and two Catholic women are major components of my spiritual guidance. Is there not a diversity in that? Am I not seeing them for what we have in common instead of their respective faiths.

Can you honestly look to the history of Judeo-Christians and say these faiths promote looking to what we have in common?

Read the Joshua books - that is the message - look to what we have in common. We can still have our own individual faiths.

Bobby WC

loufish said...

Bobby,
This is a paragraph from your artical. "It is easy for Christians to sin because they know that either through confession or professing Christ as their Savior they are guaranteed entrance into heaven. Their salvation is not in their charity while alive or compassion for their fellow humans, but in confession or professing Christ as their Savior. What a pathetic lot. They are immune from judgment for the way they live their lives because they are forgiven through the sacrifices of Joshua (aka Jesus if you insist on his Roman name). "
You cannot tell me that this paragraph was meant to mean anything else other than what is written. Mentioning three good people who differ from you spiritually does not take back calling Christians a "pathetic lot." Honestly I agree with some of the ideas you have, but I feel that you are falling into some of the same traps that most people fall into. The impression I get after reading your artical (which I enjoyed) was an overwhelming tone of read the Gnostic Gospels b/c they are the right ones. That may not be what you are going for, but that is the impression that I get from it.
I'm pretty anti religion so I guess I read your writing with my biased mind interpreting your words. But I truely feel that this is typical of religious discussions. People have a difficult time opening their minds to other religions and will sooner say that they are wrong rather than validating someone else's religious beliefs. Religion is argued over with such certainty that it is astonishing b/c no one really knows what the true answer is.
Anyway great blog!

BobbyWC said...

Loufish,

you seem to be new to the blog - in the past I have discussed the danger of reading things through our eyes instead of through the eyes of the author. In Literature there is this great concept of Contrapuntal Analysis - it means to interpret the story through the eyes of the colonial houseservant and not the author. Try reading Kipling through the eyes of the houseservants - the stories change.

By no means am I saying I know who God is, or who is right or wrong - I am just saying who I am and how I got there - does this mean I am right - no - it frustrates some of my biggest critics that I refuse to say I am right and that I know - that would take a level of knowledge no one man will ever have

Thanks for participating.

Bobby WC

Anonymous said...

Interesting commentary, Mr. BWC. You'd do well with the Unity Church or the Presbyterians, which have a genuine anarchist streak that I'm guessing you'd appreciate. Conscience is everything.

Anonymous said...

Bobby,

You lash out pell-mell at the church and then draw back to cover your bases. One more go about through Ecclesiastes should do the trick! Good luck and God Bless.

...a faithful reader

BobbyWC said...

Stan - my theory on God is what unites us is our common connection to the original cell - this is science - science is structure - structure is not anarchy, but I can intellectually see why someone might view my views as anarchy.

Bobby WC

I love new words - pell-mell - def. harum-scarum: in a wild or reckless manner; "dashing harum-scarum all over the place"; "running pell-mell up the stairs"

I am not saying you are wrong but without examples it is hard to respond - but you may be right - I just do not see it

Bobby WC

Anonymous said...

...used to chime in as au revoir but was tagged an idiot by your more astute following. I suppose I need to tone it down a notch. Don't let the powers that be define the game plan. Most have been exposed and will wilt in the light. Keep shining on!

ps.. be prepared when folks ask you for direction, support, and guidance.

BobbyWC said...

Au revoir, if I let being called an idiot or Tubby Faggot (its a post I reject on a regular basis) I would have given up a long time ago - please post away.

One reader does not make my following. Most remain silent and just love to read the cross discussion.

Please add to it at will.

STAN: While watching the debate I kept thinking anarchy conscience - what is the link?

I am not challenging you - I a just asking - I think it would open the door to a good discussion - I have no idea where I would go - but it would be interesting

Bobby WC

Anonymous said...

Well, genuine anarchists are folks of conscience and have a social conscience as well, or at least in my conception. It's not every person for him or herself. Anarchy doesn't have to do with disorder. The 19th and early 20th century anarchists did try to use disorder, but their intention was to create a new, more just order. Anarchy doesn't mean "no rules." Anarchists just insist that the rules must be agreed upon by everybody. At least in my conception. But I lean toward syndicatalism, which says you and your neighbors want something done, then do it. If it's big, for a syndicate to keep it even and on course. Now what this all has to do with the debate? I don't know.

As for your comments and theory of god, I'll ask you to take a look at a poem I did a while back: http://www.nunnayerbizness.com/2008/02/12/a-poem-from-theres-more-to-blues-than-meets-the-eye/

We're not in disagreement.

BobbyWC said...

Stan - I like disagreement - in the 70's before PC's when I learned Fortran the more mistakes I made the better I learned the language.

Honest disagreement is the fertilizer for intellectual development.

On the poem - to my readers read it so you understand this comment.

If I were a 9th grade English teacher I would use this poem in class the same week the biology teacher is teaching the life cycle of the cell.

I used to use stories from Around the World in 80 Days in World Geography in Dallas - I went to the math teacher and asked for formulas to calculate wind speeds to see how long it would take the balloon to get from one country to another.

This technique connects all of the subject matters.

BTW - I get it and I concur - anarchy - it has been so long since I studied it I forgot - nice lesson

Bobby WC

Anonymous said...

Frankly, I think the Constitution is an anarchist document. All are equal. No archos.

And you're welcome.